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  1. JSJ 343: The Power of Progressive Enhancement with Andy Bell

    Panel:

    Charles Max Wood

    Aimee Knight

    Chris Ferdinandi

    AJ O’Neal

    Special Guest: Andy Bell

    In this episode, the panel talks with Andy Bell who is an independent designer and developer who uses React, Vue, and Node. Today, the panelists and the guest talk about the power of progressive enhancements. Check it out!

    Show Topics:

    0:00 – Advertisement: KENDO UI

    0:34 – Chuck: Hi! Our panel is AJ, Aimee, Chris, myself and my new show is coming out in a few weeks, which is called the DevRev! It helps you with developer’s freedom! I am super excited. Our guest is Andy Bell. Introduce yourself, please.

    2:00 – Guest: I am an independent designer and developer out in the U.K.

    2:17 – Chuck: You wrote things about Vanilla.js. I am foreshadowing a few things and let’s talk about the power and progressive enhancement.

    2:43 – The guest gives us definitions of power and progressive enhancements. He describes how it works.

    3:10 – Chuck: I’ve heard that people would turn off JavaScript b/c it was security concern and then your progressive enhancement would make it work w/o JavaScript. I am sure there’s more than that?

    3:28 – The guest talks about JavaScript, dependencies, among other things.

    4:40 – Chuck: Your post did make that very clear I think. I am thinking I don’t even know where to start with this. Are people using the 6th version? How far back or what are we talking about here?

    5:09 – Guest: You can go really far back and make it work w/o CSS.

    5:49 – Chris: I am a big advocate of progressive enhancement – the pushback I get these days is that there is a divide; between the broadband era and AOL dialup. Are there compelling reasons why progressive enhancements even matter?

    6:48 – Guest.

    8:05 – Panel: My family lives out in the boonies. I am aware of 50% of American don’t have fast Internet. People don’t have access to fast browsers but I don’t think they are key metric users.

    8:47 – Guest: It totally depends on what you need it for. It doesn’t matter if these people are paying or not.

    9:31 – Chris: Assuming I have a commute on the trail and it goes through a spotty section. In a scenario that it’s dependent on the JS…are we talking about 2 different things here?

    10:14 – Panelist chimes-in.

    10:36 – Chris: I can take advantage of it even if I cannot afford a new machine.

    10:55 – Panel: Where would this really matter to you?

    11:05 – Chris: I do have a nice new laptop.

    11:12 – Chuck: I had to hike up to the hill (near the house) to make a call and the connection was really poor (in OK). It’s not the norm but it can happen.

    11:37 – Chris: Or how about the All Trails app when I am on the trail.

    11:52 – Guest.

    12:40 – Chris: I can remember at the time that the desktop sites it was popular to have…

    Chris: Most of those sites were inaccessible to me.

    13:17 – Guest.

    13:51 – Chuck: First-world countries will have a good connection and it’s not a big deal. If you are thinking though about your customers and where they live? Is that fair? I am thinking that my customers need to be able to access the podcast – what would you suggest? What are the things that you’d make sure is accessible to them.

    14:31 – Guest: I like to pick on the minimum viable experience? I think to read the transcript is important than the audio (MP3).

    15:47 – Chuck.

    15:52 – Guest: It’s a lot easier with Vue b/c you don’t’ have to set aside rendering.

    17:13 – AJ: I am thinking: that there is a way to start developing progressively and probably cheaper and easier to the person who is developing. If it saves us a buck and helps then we take action.

    17:49 – Guest: It’s much easier if you start that way and if you enhance the feature itself.

    18:38 – AJ: Let me ask: what are the situations where I wouldn’t / shouldn’t worry about progressive enhancements?

    18:57 – Guest answers the question.

    19:42 – AJ: I want people to feel motivated in a place WHERE to start. Something like a blog needs Java for comments.

    Hamburger menu is mentioned, too.

    20:20 – Guest.

    21:05 – Chris: Can we talk about code?

    21:16 – Aimee: This is the direction I wanted to go. What do you mean by that – building your applications progressively?

    Aimee refers to his blog.

    21:44 – Guest.

    22:13 – Chuck: I use stock overflow!

    22:20 – Guest.

    22:24 – Chuck: I mean that’s what Chris uses!

    22:33 – Guest (continues).

    23:42 – Aimee.

    23:54 – Chris.

    24:09 – Chris

    24:16 – Chris: Andy what do you think about that?

    24:22 – Guest: Yes, that’s good.

    24:35 – Chris: Where it falls apart is the resistance to progressive enhancements that it means that your approach has to be boring?

    25:03 – Guest answers the question.

    The guest mentions modern CSS and modern JavaScript are mentioned along with tooling.

    25:50 – Chuck: My issue is that when we talk about this (progressive enhancement) lowest common denominator and some user at some level (slow network) and then they can access it. Then the next level (better access) can access it. I start at the bottom and then go up. Then when they say progressive enhancement I get lost. Should I scrap it and then start over or what?

    26:57 – Guest: If it’s feasible do it and then set a timeline up.

    27:42 – Chuck: You are saying yes do it a layer at a time – but my question is HOW? What parts can I pair back? Are there guidelines to say: do this first and then how to test?

    28:18 – Advertisement – Sentry.io

    29:20 – Guest: Think about the user flow. What does the user want to do at THIS point? Do you need to work out the actual dependencies?

    30:31 – Chuck: Is there a list of those capabilities somewhere? So these users can use it this way and these users can use it that way?

    30:50 – Guest answers the question.

    31:03 – Guest: You can pick out the big things.

    31:30 – Chuck: I am using this feature in the browser…

    31:41 – Guest.

    31:46 – Chris: I think this differently than you Andy – I’ve stopped caring if a browser supports something new. I am fine using CSS grid and if your browser doesn’t support it then I don’t have a problem with that. I get hung up on, though if this fails can they still get the content? If they have no access to these – what should they be able to do?

    Note: “Cutting the Mustard Test” is mentioned.

    33:37 – Guest.

    33:44 – Chuck: Knowing your users and if it becomes a problem then I will figure it out.

    34:00 – Chris: I couldn’t spare the time to make it happen right now b/c I am a one-man shop.

    34:20 – Chuck and Chris go back-and-forth.

    34:36 –Chris: Check out links below for my product.

    34:54 – AJ: A lot of these things are in the name: progressive.

    36:20 – Guest.

    38:51 – Chris: Say that they haven’t looked at it all before. Do you mind talking about these things and what the heck is a web component?

    39:14 – The guest gives us his definition of what a web component is.

    40:02 – Chuck: Most recent episode in Angular about web components, but that was a few years ago. See links below for that episode.

    40:25 – Aimee.

    40:31 – Guest: Yes, it’s a lot like working in Vue and web components. The concepts are very similar.

    41:22 – Chris: Can someone please give us an example? A literal slideshow example?

    41:45 – Guest answers the question.

    45:07 – Chris.

    45:12 – Guest: It’s a framework that just happens to use web components and stuff to help.

    45:54 – Chuck: Yeah they make it easier (Palmer). Yeah there is a crossover with Palmer team and other teams. I can say that b/c I have talked with people from both teams. Anything else?

    46:39 – Chuck: Where do they go to learn more?

    46:49 – Guest: Check out the Club! And my Twitter! (See links below.)

    47:33 – Chuck: I want to shout-out about DevLifts that has $19 a month to help you with physical goals. Or you can get the premium slot! It’s terrific stuff. Sign-up with DEVCHAT code but there is a limited number of slots and there is a deadline, too. Just try it! They have a podcast, too!

    49:16 – Aimee: Yeah, I’m on their podcast soon!

    49:30 – Chuck: Picks!

    END – Advertisement: CacheFly!

    Links:

    JavaScript

    React

    Elixir

    Ember.js

    Vue

    GO

    jQuery

    Node.js

    Puppeteer

    Cypress

    Past episode: AiA 115

    Past episode: JSJ 120

    Vue.js – Slots

    Using templates and slots – Article

    Web Components Club

    GitHub: Pwa – Starter – Kit

    Progressively Enhanced Toggle Panel

    Time Ago in under 50 lines of JavaScript

    GitHub: ebook-boilerplate

    Chris Ferdinandi’s Go Make Things Site

    Game Chops

    CNBC – Trump Article

    New in Node v10.12

    Quotes Archive

    My Amazon Interview Horror Story

    DevPal.io

    Honest Work

    Relative Paths

    DevLifts

    Andy Bell’s Twitter

    Andy’s Website

    Sponsors:

    DevLifts

    Kendo UI

    Sentry

    CacheFly

    Picks:

    Aimee

    Hacker News  -  Programming Quotes

    My Amazon Interview Horror Story

    Chris

    Time Ago in Under 50 Lines of JavaScript

    E-Book Boiler Plate

    JSJABBER at gomakethings.com

    AJ

    Experimental Drugs Bill

    My Browers FYI

    New In Node,10.12

    Arcade Attack

    Charles

    Getacoderjob.com

    Self-Publishing School

    MF CEO podcast

    Andy

    Devpay.io

    Honest.work

    Relativepath.uk

    Transcript

    https://devchat.tv/js-jabber/jsj-343-the-power-of-progressive-enhancement-with-andy-bell/

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  2. Society Causes Disabilities? Discussing Social Model of Disability by HIROBYTES • A podcast on Anchor

    via https://twitter.com/jensimmons/status/1174138623060369408

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  3. devMode.fm // Returning sanity to the webdev process

    In this episode, we talk to Chris Ferdinandi believes that many of our modern best practices are harming the web.

    Chris has ideas for a new set of best practices that bring more simplicity and sanity to the dev process. They involve such heretical ideas as not using the popular JavaScript…

    https://devmode.fm/episodes/returning-sanity-to-the-webdev-process?mc_cid=d0351d5f34&mc_eid=cdd2d9b5e6

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  4. Episode 3: Dawoud Bey and Teju Cole — WCRX

    In this special extended episode, photographer Dawoud Bey and writer, critic, and photographer Teju Cole are in conversation with MoCP’s curator of academic programs and collections, Kristin Taylor. Bey and Cole discuss works in the MoCP’s permanent collection by Roy DeCarava and Melissa Ann Pinney as well as their thoughts on seeing, understanding, and creating images in the world today.

    https://wcrx.colum.edu/focal-point/2019/8/5/episode-3-dawoud-bey-and-teju-cole

    via https://twitter.com/dawoudbey/status/1163291310985551873

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  5. There’s still hope for building on the web - The Verge

    Nilay Patel interviews Paul Ford about his hopefulness in tech, his recent piece in Wired, and the state of building stuff for the web.

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/6/20751655/paul-ford-interview-web-writer-programmer-vergecast-podcast

    via https://twitter.com/anildash/status/1161500333337653249

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  6. How Tech Companies Track Your Every Move And Put Your Data Up For Sale

    https://www.npr.org/2019/07/31/746878763/how-tech-companies-track-your-every-move-and-put-your-data-up-for-sale

    via https://twitter.com/jensimmons/status/1156639559070953473

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  7. Tatiana Mac / #causeascene

    “What if we were both carpenters instead of developers or designers and we were having these types of conversations about React versus Angular versus Vue, and it was about screw driver? Is it a fla…

    https://hashtagcauseascene.com/blog/tatiana-mac/

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  8. S2E5: Why Mixing Digital & Film Is The Future Of Photography w/ Kirk Mastin - ARC

    A big believer in bridging the gap between digital & film photography, Kirk Mastin is a legend in the photography world. Now working with his company, Mastin Labs, to provide presets for photographers to help bless their digital images with the unique quality of film, Kirk is here to provide some insight into everything from singularity to the juxtaposition between the future & the past.

    https://thisisarc.co/s2e5-why-mixing-digital-film-is-the-future-of-photography-w-kirk-mastin/

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  9. The Entrepreneurial Coder Podcast | #11 - Chris Ferdinandi - Building an Audience by Being Consistent | Episode 11

    Chris goes into detail on how he teaches people to be better JavaScript developers by focusing on vanilla JS and core concepts. He talks about his approach to building an audience and how showing up consistently has played a key role in his success. Chris covers his strategies for writing every day, building up an email list, and launching a product.

    https://share.transistor.fm/s/2d10b271?mc_cid=c7fb6b1ec5&mc_eid=cdd2d9b5e6

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  10. The Talk Show ✪: Ep. 256, With Special Guest Ben Thompson

    The Talk Show

    ‘A Bit Too Thin’, With Special Guest Ben Thompson

    Sunday, 30 June 2019

    Special guest Ben Thompson returns to the show to talk about Jony Ive’s departure from Apple.

    Download MP3.

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    Links:

    Yours truly on Ive’s departure.

    Thompson’s take on Ive’s departure.

    This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

    https://daringfireball.net/thetalkshow/2019/06/30/ep-256

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