John Gruber is one of the world’s foremost experts on Apple. Josh is one of the world’s foremost experts on experts. Unsurprisingly, things get very nerdy when Josh and John sit down to discuss the past, present, and future of the company, as well as how it compares to the competition. But don’t worry — Woodrow Wilson, James Bond, and the New York Yankees all pop up in the discussion as well. You’ve been warned.