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  1. The Talk Show ✪: Ep. 176, With Special Guest Craig Hockenberry

    The Talk Show

    ‘Frolic’, With Special Guest Craig Hockenberry

    Friday, 16 December 2016

    Craig Hockenberry returns to the show with his gigantic fleshy palms. Topics include Donald Trump’s highly publicized meeting with a handful of U.S. tech company leaders (including Tim Cook), the release of Nintendo’s Super Mario Run for iPhone, Uber’s autonomous car that was caught cruising straight through a red light in San Francisco, and Craig’s excellent new book, Making Sense of Color Management.

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    Craig’s excellent new book, with a foreword by yours truly, Making Sense of Color Management, from A Book Apart.

    More from Craig on the story behind the book.

    Uber’s carefully-worded PR spin on their autonomous car that was captured on video running a red light.

    Trump’s tech summit meeting, and the look on Tim Cook’s face.

    Poll shows U.S. Republicans rate Vladimir Putin 67 percent more favorably than Hillary Clinton, and 54 percent more favorably than Barack Obama. (Source.)

    This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

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  2. The Joshua Gagnon Leadership Podcast - Ep 011: Interview with Gordon MacDonald Part 2 | Listen via Stitcher Radio On Demand

    Listen to The Joshua Gagnon Leadership Podcast episodes free, on demand. Don’t forget to leave reviews and share on social media!

    We want to hear from you! Email for any questions or comments you may have.

    Activate Conference is coming up on Wednesday, September 16 at Next Level Church in Somersworth, NH! You can get more information and register for tickets at Register before July 31 for special early bird pricing!

    Watch out for our next episode featuring Ben Dubow, an openly gay man who had previously attended Next Level Church and has since then gone on to be a pastor and a church planter. You can expect this episode to be extremely eye opening as Ben shares his story, as well as how he has seen the church deal with the issue of homosexuality and where he thinks the church is missing the point.

    This episode is a continuation of an interview Pastor Josh had with Gordon MacDonald. If you have not listened to part 1, please do so before continuing this episode!

    Here are some of highlights from this episode:

    Some of the disciplines Pastor Gordon has developed over the years that bring depth to his life both personally and as a Christian leader:

    Being a man of the Word. We must be committed to God’s Word by absorbing and memorizing it.

    Reading biographies of past Christian leaders


    Accountability to a mentor and close friends

    Asking questions. Few people know how to ask questions.

    As leaders, we must pry into people to help them grow spiritually.

    “Your peers help you to create, but your mentors help you to go deep.” – Gordon MacDonald

    “Asking questions is a powerful key to spiritual development and growth.” – Gordon MacDonald

    Every person has a story. Asking questions engages people to truly think about their honest answers. Hard questions force you to account for the depth of your life. Be the leader who doesn’t just ask surface level questions, but who reveals their motives by the first question they ask.

    “The questions you ask will reveal the motives of your heart.” – Josh Gagnon

    The best piece of advice Gordon ever received for his marriage was, “God means to say many things to you through [your wife]; listen to her.” For any men in ministry, it is important to remember that your wife will have many things to say to you that you need to hear. Treat your wife with dignity and respect and help her recognize her spiritual gifts, then draw upon them.

    “Your job is to help your wife to become everything God wan. Listen to over 40,000 radio shows, podcasts and live radio stations for free on your iPhone, iPad, Android and PC. Discover the best of news, entertainment, comedy, sports and talk radio on demand with Stitcher Radio.

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  3. The Joshua Gagnon Leadership Podcast - Ep 010: Interview with Gordon MacDonald Part 1 | Listen via Stitcher Radio On Demand

    Listen to The Joshua Gagnon Leadership Podcast episodes free, on demand. As young church leaders, we are often so quick to flock to the hip, influential pastor of the biggest mega church. But what we desperately need is to seek out the priceless wisdom offered by generations of leaders who have gone before us.

    In this episode, Pastor Gordon MacDonald shares his experiences as a pastor of more than 40 years, as well as his insight for where he believes church leadership is headed.

    Here are some of the main ideas from this episode:

    When faced with new situations, learn to decode the culture and understand what is important to people. Otherwise, you’ll miss them by a mile.

    In the context of ministry, New England is unique in several ways:

    Connectedness to the local community – this same connection is expected in church

    New Englanders are not impressed with size – they don’t want church to get too big and impersonal

    There is an edge of arrogance to New Englanders – they uphold education and history

    We are being brought up in a culture that says the more influence you have, the more successful you will be. This way of thinking is different from the past, where people were taught to be humble and grateful with what they had. The message we hear today is that when we trust Jesus, he will make you successful, but we cannot forget that real success can also come in the form of persecution. This truth is becoming less relevant in today’s culture.

    Today’s generations crave personal attention. The only way to reach a broken people is through transparency. People don’t want to run from tradition because there is a richness in tradition. We’re going to miss something if we chase after new and forget the old. Generations today are lacking personal and as a result, they are looking at the past and how things were done then.

    Gordon MacDonald is the Chancellor of Denver Seminary and has previously served as spiritual advisor and mentor to President Bill Clinton. He has written over two dozen books, including Ordering Your Private World and Going Deep: Becoming a Person of Influence.

    He and his wife, Gail, live in Concord, New Hampshire.

    Be sure to tune in for part 2 of the interview! Listen to over 40,000 radio shows, podcasts and live radio stations for free on your iPhone, iPad, Android and PC. Discover the best of news, entertainment, comedy, sports and talk radio on demand with Stitcher Radio.

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  4. Larry Hubatka on Seven Day Seminary | unSeminary

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    Today I’m excited to be talking again with Larry Hubatka from Elevation Church. For those who don’t know, Elevation Church was founded in 2006 by Pastor Steven Furtick and his wife Holly in Charlotte, NC. Elevation Church has now grown to 13 locations–10 in the Charlotte area, 1 in Raleigh-Durham, 1 in Roanoke, VA, and 1 in the greater Toronto area.

    Elevation Church always wanted to equip and empower other ministry leaders, from broadcasting weekend messages to participating in conferences and internship programs which help people learn how Elevation Church works. There is a practical side to ministry that seminary doesn’t always teach you, and that’s what Elevation Church wants to share.

    Can we equip people for ministry? // Most interns that come into Elevation Church’s internship program are young and new to ministry. The experience they receive in this program is very hands-on and teaches them about the practical aspects of ministry as well as the the behind-the-scenes work that needs to be done. It can be a challenging program, but most people leave with the feeling that it was the best thing they’ve ever done. An experience like this one often helps the interns decide whether this calling into ministry is right for them. Elevation also offers a one day event called Inside Elevation, which lets you get a good idea of how the church operates and reaches out to the community.

    A crash course in ministry to help guide the next step. // Elevation is starting a new program called Seven Day Seminary. It’s impossible to get an entire seminary education in seven days, but Elevation does hope to train and equip people quickly. Not intended to replace seminary, Seven Day Seminary is instead a crash course which includes 25 to 30 sessions over 7 days. If you’re feeling called into ministry, but aren’t sure if it’s right for you, this can give you a sense of what to expect.

    Practical training versus spiritual formation. // Everything in ministry is connected, both the spiritual and the practical parts. There won’t be a perfect ratio of work/life balance because it’s all connected in the end. So going through short training events like the ones Elevation offers can help those who are struggling with whether this is their calling, and that is what Larry and the rest of the team at Elevation hopes to accomplish in these programs.

    If you’d like to find out more about Elevation Church, you can visit their website at Or for information on their new program, visit

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    Episode Highlights

    00:33 // Rich welcomes Larry to the show.

    00:43 // Rich gives us some background to Elevation Church.

    00:55 // Larry details the different locations of the church.

    01:25 // Larry talks about his role and the structure within Elevation Church.

    02:46 // Larry tells how Elevation Church has evolved in the 10 years.

    06:17 // Larry talks about the Intern Program at Elevation Church.

    08:15 // Rich and Larry discuss Inside Elevation.

    08:59 // Larry talks about Seven Day Seminary.

    15:15 // Larry talks about integrating your whole life as part of the basics of ministry.

    15:17 // Larry offers contact info and details of Seven Day Seminary.

    Lightning Round

    Helpful Tech Tools // Hangout

    Ministries Following // Pastor Craig Groeschel at LifeChurch, Northpoint, Hillsong.

    Influential Book // The War of Art by Steven Pressfield.

    Inspiring Leader // Mark Cuban, Elon Musk, Michael Bierut, Mark Zuckerberg.

    What does he do for fun // Family. Surfing the web, digital blogs. Digital marketing. Team building. Sports.

    Contact // larryhubatka on Twitter

    Episode Transcript

    Rich – Hey everybody, welcome to the unSeminary podcast, my name’s Rich, the host around these parts. Thank you so much for tuning in, I know there’s lots you could be doing as you’re getting ready to minister at your church this weekend and I’m just so thankful that you’ve decided to spend some time with us today. Today it’s our honor to have Larry Hubatka with us, from Elevation Church. Larry welcome to the show.

    Larry – Thanks Rich, thanks for having me.

    Rich – I’m so glad that you’re with us. For folks that don’t know, Elevation Church was founded in 2006 by pastor Steven Furtick and his wife Holly. A great church, really impacting Charlotte, North Carolina and beyond and I think you have 13 locations right now?

    Larry: That’s right, so there’s 10 in the Charlotte area and then 3 outside. One in Raleigh Durham, one in Roanoke Virginia and one in the GTA, Greater Toronto area.

    Rich – Nice, now as a boy from Toronto, I’m just so thankful that you guys are…

    Larry: Yeah, nice.

    Rich – I’m not there anymore, but I really appreciate…

    Larry – But you’re still on the Blue Jays and Joe Carter?

    Rich – Well, but yeah that was the last time anybody was doing a good job with the Blue Jays.

    Larry – Nice.

    Rich – Except for this year. So anyway, Larry leads a creative team there, you oversee film and all kinds of things, part of the weekend process.

    Larry – Yes.

    Rich – Why don’t you tell us a little bit about your role at Elevation?

    Larry – Sure, so Creative Pastor’s a little different at different churches, sometimes it Creative Art’s Pastor, sometimes it’s Creative Pastor, a bunch of different names. For us at Elevation, Creative Pastor means overseeing design, brand management, communications, marketing. So we have a separate team, it’s really our Worship Pastor Wade Joye who oversees programming and worship. So sometimes it’s all combined into one, for us it’s broken out. So ours is a little bit more like me playing the role of a Creative Director at the church and we’re actually structured with a little bit of an agency model. So the Creative Department runs like an agency, with each of the different areas or teams operating like clients.

    Rich – Cool.

    Larry – So it seems to work pretty well for us.

    Rich – Good, yeah that’s very cool, nice I love that. That’s good to hear, kind of the inside. Now one of the things I noticed about Elevation, I would say over the, I don’t know, year or two, just as an outside… Now if you don’t follow Elevation you really should, it’s a fantastic church doing all kinds of great things, but one of the things I’ve noticed, there seems to be a bit of a shift, which is around almost helping other churches doing a bit more of that. I visited a couple of years ago, where I kind of had to come through a backdoor to let somebody show us around and talk to us, but that seems to have changed a little bit, you seem a little bit more proactive on helping other churches. Is that true, am I seeing that right? What’s happening on that front?

    Larry – I hope so, I hope we’re helpful.

    Rich – Yes.

    Larry – You know, we’ve not been around for that long. We’re in our 10th year of ministry right now and it’s not like we’re so far removed from… Even the first few years, I still remember, I’ve been at the church from the very beginning and I still remember, just in the early days where you are struggling to find volunteers and you’re doing the setup and the teardown with the team and the team unfortunately is like the same 8 people every single week and you’re like, “Come on people, stick around and help us load this trailer up,” and it’s 4 o’clock in the afternoon on Sunday and I’m like, “Oh my gosh, this speaker feels so heavy.”

    So it’s not that far removed, we still get it and I hope from early on, you know, Pastor Steven’s done an awesome job of just setting the town to say, “We’re going to be a church that wants to be a part of the community,” versus feeling like we’re going to come in and do our thing and try to make a big name for ourselves. I think we really decided that we wanted to… We used to describe it this way, “We really hope that the city would be in tears if something ever happened to this church and we had to shut our door.” So you want to be kind of woven into the fabric and feel like, when you talk about the city of Charlotte and the other communities that we’re in that you have to talk about Elevation Church.

    So to answer your question, I think from early on we had that sphere, we really wanted to help people. You can only do so much.

    Rich – Right.

    Larry – I mean, some of it was like we didn’t have the resource to do a whole lot based on what we hoped we’d be able to do one day but we did what we could. So we started with things like, providing our resources and the assets that we would create for the weekend online and making them available, putting Pastor Steven’s sermons up online, just doing anything you could to say, “If we’ve got something that might benefit another ministry let’s do that.”

    Then it slowly evolved into an internship program and an apprenticeship program, which is like a 6 month commitment for somebody to come and feel like, “I’d love to see how Elevation does its thing, events,” like one day events where people will literally travel. We were just talking this morning about the next event and there are literally people coming in from all around the world, which is pretty fun for us.

    Rich – It is cool.

    Larry – You know, the 10th year of ministry we’re able to have that kind of an impact, that’s been really good to us. Then we’ve got this Seven Day Seminary program which we’re super excited about, which is like a crash course and hands on practical ministry. We’ve never done it before, but we’re believing that it’s going to be helpful. They’re going to get an idea of like, “Okay, so I went to Seminary and it was awesome and I’m really thankful for it, but there’s a practical side to ministry also.” Yeah there is, it’s one of the things that we’ve discovered ourselves in the first 10 years.

    There’s a lot to learn for us still on the day to day side of ministry, how do the way volunteers greet somebody in the parking lot affect the preaching of the Gospel? How does team building play into this? There’s a lot to what we’ve experienced that I thought, “Gosh, this would really be great,” and Pastor Steven’s said, “Let’s do something like that and offer to people.” So Seven Day Seminaries are kind of a fun one for us right now because it’s fresh.

    Rich – Yeah absolutely that’s great. You know, obviously here at unSeminary we try to provide practical training as well and when I heard about Seven Day Seminary I was like, “Gosh that just sounds great,” what a great…

    Larry – Yeah you’re right.

    Rich – Let’s step back to just get a sense of, what are you doing on the intern program, how does that work? Give us the insight behind, how is that helping you as a church, for other churches that might be listening in today?

    Larry – Yeah that’s a good question because there’s several different goals when we do a program like that.

    Rich – Yeah.

    Larry – I don’t oversee the program, I am involved because there are interns that work in our department and obviously we’re vetting people when they come in through the application process but the team that oversees that is really trying to accomplish a couple of different things. Can you equip people for ministry?

    Rich – Yeah.

    Larry – Interns typically are 18 to 25, it’s not a set rule, but typically that’s about the range that they’re in. But for them to come in, be exposed to, again a real life ministry experience, it’s very hands on. I would think that our interns that come in for ministry training, they typically come in for one or two terms, fall, spring or summer, but when they come in it is probably the hardest thing they’ve ever done but I think almost all of them walk away feeling like, “That was the best thing I’ve ever done.” So it’s a really wide scope and when you think ‘intern’, sometimes you think, like they go and get your coffee…

    Rich – Right, right, do the photocopies.

    Larry – “We’re not going to put anything significant on you,” but I literally, before I jumped on this call with you, I was just having a conversation with our Creative Team about a piece we just did, highlighting the experience of one intern and this intern was literally talking about the things that he was able to do during his internship and I thought, “That’s the stuff that I do, that’s the stuff that like all of our staff do.”

    Rich – Right.

    Larry – I guess for us to be able to expose an intern to that and honestly help them figure out, “Is this the calling that God has placed in my life to do a ministry this way at this level?” It’s awesome. Some of them stick around and we invite them to come and join the staff. Some of them go back to their churches and they jump in there and they take what they’ve learned and try to apply it or translate it. But it’s been a great experience for us as a church, it just lets us expose people, train people and obviously it helps us as the same time.

    Rich – Absolutely. So that’s obviously a long commitment right?

    Larry – Yeah for sure.

    Rich – Three or four months long?

    Larry – Right.

    Rich – Then obviously on the other end you have stuff like kind of a one day come, kind of get a… it’s a glorified tour.

    Larry – Yeah right.

    Rich – You’re seeing the facilities, you’re getting a bunch of input on kind of how ministry happens, which obviously is great, I would encourage people… What is that called, I forget what that’s called, that [Inaudible 00:08:14]?

    Larry – So that one day event’s called Inside Elevation.

    Rich – Right if you haven’t done that you really should. It’s a great opportunity to get a good sense of what’s happening at the ministry there.

    Larry – Yes.

    Rich – It’s a good thing to bring volunteers to.

    Larry – That’s right.

    Rich – I’m assuming like, hey if you want to kind of help cast vision for your people, I literally just had a conversation like this this week with a team member of ours, a volunteer, where they have never… we’re the biggest church they have ever been to and for them to cast a vision for, “What is it that God might do at your church?” Obviously everyone doesn’t want to become Elevation, Elevation’s Elevation and you guys would say that in what you do.

    Larry – Right, absolutely.

    Rich – But it’s a great way to cast vision. Now in between those two you have the Seven Day Seminary. Tell me about that, what are you going to be covering, what’s somebody going to be getting out of that, as they go through that experience?

    Larry – Yeah, we’re getting a lot of questions about it, because one, the name is pretty intriguing. Somebody would say, “So let me get this straight. You think you’re going to give us a Seminary’s worth of education in seven days?” Well we’re not going to do that, we can’t do that, it’s not possible.

    Rich – Right.

    Larry – Seminary is amazing and you should go to Seminary.

    Rich – Right.

    Larry – Just know why you’re going and what you’re going to get out of it. We actually were inspired by Seth Godin’s altMBA program, I don’t know if you’re familiar with it?

    Rich – Yes, yes fantastic.

    Larry – He’s like one of my very favorite authors, I know he’s inspired a lot of us on the staff and Pastor Stevens saw his altMBA program and thought, “That might be a really good approach for us to take in terms of trying to equip and train people quickly.” So the short version of that program is, he says, “This is an alternative to getting your MBA. Come and spend 30 days with us online and it will basically train you how to work with people and how to tackle projects.” But we thought, “Well that principle could really work well for us.” We are an alternative to Seminary in a lot of ways, but it’s not a replacement for Seminary, I think it’s more of the, “Come and spend seven days,” and literally it’s like a crash course, we’ve never done it, so I’m telling you what we’re planning to do.

    Rich – That’s right.

    Larry – Talk to me in a few months and I’ll [Inaudible 00:10:06].

    Rich – Yeah.

    Larry – But our goal is to have you come in and literally for seven days, we’ll still finalizing the schedule and it looks like it’s 25 or 30 session over seven days, where we cover everything we can possibly cover. Sessions from Pastor Steven teaching directly. He’s going to be doing a bunch of interviews with some of his Pastor piers around the country who we would say are some of the greatest church leaders in the country. Then a lot of the staff will be teaching, but this is really us helping somebody who feels like they might be called to ministry but they’ve not actually known what to do to get started.

    Rich – Right.

    Larry – So I kind of think the profile on something like is, somebody who says, they might be working in a church, maybe they’re in a smaller church, maybe they’re in the general market and a business person. So they could be a mom, somebody who just has some leadership acumen, who thinks, “I’ve been called to ministry, I don’t exactly know what the next step is but if I come and do this Seven Day experience, I’ll probably get a good feel on whether or not ministry in the local church is for me.” That’s kind of the goal.

    Rich – Very cool.

    Larry – Some of these people might stay connected to Elevation Church, some of them might just go back to their churches, or they might feel like, “Yeah, I love ministry and now I’m going to wait and figure out what God does and what doors he opens up.” So the goal is really like, inundate you in seven days, hopefully a short enough period that you can actually take a week out of your life to do it, but long enough that you can really get immersed. I’m super excited, I think we’re ready for it to get here.

    Rich – Yeah, so now is this different than a conference? Like a straight up kind of a three day conference, how would this be different?

    Larry – Well it’s going to be real hands on.

    Rich – Okay.

    Larry – So our general approach is, we like the challenge assumptions, just in general, about how we do ministry and Pastor Steven is like, he’s wired this way. So he’s really wired to say, “Okay, so maybe we’ve always done it this way, but why don’t we try something different?” So the biggest difference will be just the hands on part of it. I don’t know what you studied, what did you study in school?

    Rich – Yeah I actually went for ministry stuff, I trained for this kind of thing. So yeah I went to Seminary.

    Larry – I was a science major.

    Rich – Yes great, very cool.

    Larry – So I was a science major at the University of Washington.

    Rich – Lectures and labs.

    Larry – Exactly, so lectures, it’s not completely fair but it is a good connection, people understand it. A lecture might feel more like a conference and a lab might feel more like what Seven Day Seminary is.

    Rich – Yep.

    Larry – Where it will be hands on and you get to get your hands dirty a little bit and then decide, “Okay I liked that. That was actually interesting to me. I can see myself doing more of that.”

    Rich – Right.

    Larry – Or say, “No, ministry in that format, in the local church may not be for me. Obviously I love the local church I want to go to, but maybe being on staff at a local church might not be for me.” So either way, we’re trying to help people really dive in and understand, “If this is the calling God has placed on my life, what could it look like?”

    Rich – Right. Okay very cool. Now how would you, we kind of talk about the ratio between practical training and then I would say spiritual formation, like I’m assuming that part of this is going to be a bit about candidates, their inner relationship with Jesus.

    Larry – Sure.

    Rich – How does that ratio work out?

    Larry – Clearly it’s all connected. We’re talking about developing whole people. So even in the way that, I’ll use our staff as an example. Every time we interview somebody that we’re considering to come on staff, number one question almost always is, “What about work/family balance?” It’s a funny question, because to a certain degree we have a little bit of a canned answer and we tell them the same thing. It’s not really about trying to compartmentalize and figure out the perfect ratio, I think this is a lot more about integrating all of your life together because you live one life.

    Rich – Right.

    Larry – So your ability to say, “Now if I’m called to this as a husband and a dad, well it’s really my family’s calling to this too, we’ve got to be in this together. We’ve got to communicate well about the different seasons, we have to bring our families along with it.” So that’s how it relates to us in a higher, staff development scenario, but I think from a practical versus personal development, I think it’s a little bit of the same. They’re so intertwined, it’s hard to break them out, but I think we like to break it out because it makes us feel better, “Well I’m going to go and do some spiritual development and some spiritual training and them I’m going to go and do some hand on practical training.”

    Rich – Right.

    Larry – So it maybe sounds like we’re speaking out of both sides of our mouths but that’s a little bit like saying, “I love The Hunger Games movies, that guy couldn’t speak to me through The Hunger Games.” Well in some ironic way I watched a movie and I was like, “What a great concept, I should teach my team on sacrifice, on work ethics.” So a little bit of that.

    So we’re going to lead with a practical side meaning there’s definitely a hands on way to approach the basics of ministry, but clearly it’s all connected.

    Rich – Right.

    Larry – You can’t come in and do this if you’re not spiritually filled up and serving out of a good place.

    Rich – Right.

    Larry – We’ll touch on it but it won’t be all one or all the other, but we’ll definitely lead practical as our entry point into the conversation.

    Rich – Okay very cool. Anything else you want to share about Seven Day Seminary? Tell us about how we can find out more information about it.

    Larry – Oh yeah, thank you for asking, that’s great. If anybody obviously is interested or any of the different ways to experience Elevation Church, you can always go to the church website, but specifically for Seven Day Seminary, go to and it’s spelled out. If you go with either the number or spell out the word seven, it will get you there, but, there’s a short application process and I want people to do it who are… So the perfect person would be the person’s who’s thinking, “I always felt like this pull to me to do something like this and I never fully pursued it.” Well cool, you can pursue it now for a week and figure out if this works. Now it’s November 7th through to 13th, hang on, let me make sure that’s correct. Yes November 7th through to 13th.

    Rich – Great.

    Larry – November 7th through to 13th.

    Rich – Yes.

    Larry – It will be a week here in Charlotte, North Carolina and we’re excited about it. So that’s probably it. You asked some great questions, I think the same kinds of questions we get when we’re chatting with people about what’s going on here in the ministry.

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  5. User Experience: SocialMedia.Church Episode 115 | Leadership Network

    By DJ Chuang on March 12th, 2015

    DJ Chuang is alumni staff member of Leadership Network and launched Social Media Church podcast that’s now hosted by Nils Smith and Jay Kranda. DJ is a strategy consultant, currently working as .BIBLE Registry Manager with American Bible Society. Connect with DJ at + on Twitter @djchuang

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  6. DWELL – Q and A with Dave Fairchild, Steve Timmis and Scott Thomas

    About Adrian WarnockAdrian Warnock is a medical doctor, a writer, and a member of Jubilee Church, London since 1995, where he serves as part of the leadership team alongside Tope Koleoso. Together they have written Hope Reborn - How to Become a Christian and Live for Jesus, published by Christian Focus.

    Adrian is also the author of Raised With Christ - How The Resurrection Changes Everything, published by Crossway.

    Read more about Adrian Warnock or connect with him on Twitter, Facebook or Google+. **********************************You are warmly invited to comment on this blog. By doing so you demonstrate that you accept Adrian’s comment policy.

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  7. Episode 112: Video Tips & Tricks | Leadership Network

    By DJ Chuang on February 19th, 2015

    DJ Chuang is alumni staff member of Leadership Network and launched Social Media Church podcast that’s now hosted by Nils Smith and Jay Kranda. DJ is a strategy consultant, currently working as .BIBLE Registry Manager with American Bible Society. Connect with DJ at + on Twitter @djchuang

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  8. Pastor Greg Laurie on Using Technology: Episode 93 » Social Media Church podcast

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    Pastor Greg Laurie is a notable pastor (Harvest Christian Fellowship, Riverside, California) and evangelist with Harvest Crusades that has held large-scale outreaches since 1990. He was interviewed by Brendan Stark (Web Director at Harvest) in a keynote address at the CITRT (Church IT Roundtable) Regional event back in March 2014. Pastor Greg Laurie shared his value as a pastor for using technology, the Internet, and social media, and how they must be used for the ministry of the Gospel. Special thanks to CITRT and Brendan Stark for permission to post the talk on this episode of the Social Media Church podcast.

    Show Notes

    Connect with Brendan Stark on Facebook + on Twitter @brendanstark

    #video Watch “Pastor Greg Laurie on Technology and the Internet” on YouTube

    #event 2014 National Roundtable & Refresh Cache (October 22-24, 2014 @ Peoria, IL) + Call for 2014 Fall Event Ten-Talk Presenters – this is a great event for Church IT (information technology) staff and volunteers to talk shop and faith, topics include: web dev tools, help desk tools/tips/tricks, personal productivity, remote support, SQL best practices, social media analytics, training tools or methodologies, OSX on a windows network, and social media should show up somewhere in the mix too.

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    I’m Brendan Stark

    Web Director at Harvest Christian Fellowship in

    Riverside Calif I’m here with Pastor Greg Laurie

    thanks for being here

    good to be here I was like to hang out with the geeks

    alright I wish I was the key when I’m not I’m like

    a wannabe geek it’s like I like everything geeks do

    but I don’t know how to do it so the key is make friends with geeks

    better yet hire them he does a great job

    with our department all right thank you very much so

    you love dad yes so how have you always love

    computers and technology well my love gadgets goes back way before computers

    marijuana as a little kid I got a little reel to reel tape recorder

    and i was just didn’t he’s dead you know the you can actually record these little

    things and I remember my first

    record player and anything that Obama technology

    I locked in a criss-cross forward and then I was one of the first guys to go

    out and buy

    a digital watch i mean when I bought the technology when I bought back was at the

    probably the early seventies

    you get for free in a happy meal now I probably be the over a hundred dollars

    which was a lot back then

    but I had they have the digital watch them have course

    I had one of the first guy you know recorders a video

    are like a %uh the I was like a bead a max player than later on

    it became the VHS format in you know so

    any minute come along I had to have the first iPhone

    the proof iPod side always been a sucker for technology I just love it that’s


    so you gonna pastor for over forty years forty years yes so when you start there

    really wasn’t any church I T

    no not at all we just yelled loudly

    like a know there really wasn’t arm boy

    I mean that they’ll the technology we had that day on C was like

    cassette tapes I was it i &lt3 revolution active prior to that we had

    a track to the fact that you could record something in

    give without in an affordable price was something but

    on my we were so behind the times there was no internet al gore had invented it


    he was probably still in the love story pays appears career

    but now was satire arm so no no no that was on yet

    in so that this was a whole new frontier yet in our future

    school so have you seen technology can transform

    the church in the last forty years well you know I think initially

    Christians were creative technology because they didn’t understand it

    didn’t understand the potential up the web course it seems like summer the

    early adopters we were using it for

    evil purposes the melodic Crittenton thing you know how can we use it and I

    immediately saw

    the value in fact I even thought the name about was proving

    the Internet at home let’s go fishing for men and women let’s use the net this

    net goes globally

    I remember are we were probably one of the first churches

    to do a live webcast than it was like up 56 kg type modem

    member how those use the Firebird crawl

    ha convenient thing comes up you’ve got mail

    I was a well remember and all I’m online while I’m online and

    everything was slow but we used art

    the first webcast to reach people in

    I saw the potential about when some missionaries sent me a photograph have a

    budget people city not in a very

    dark jungle around a laptop computer been run by a generator

    here in the class want to do see and accepting Christ so that we’ve gotta be

    at the forefront there so we started doing our crusade in the later our


    and the numbers are the people watching online grew

    Expo Line Chile but in time the

    equal the attendants and her crusade and then after a while they were surpassing

    the number of our crusade 100 2009 course after their archives thousands

    and thousands more so

    it’s just unbelievable yeah so you think technologies change

    evangelism how that’s done today well I P

    what is done is it open up the doors for greater evangelism for those who can see


    I mean the height to give the first century was the Roman Road system

    you know the world was divided at the time and the Romans come along

    effectively conquer the world and establish what was called

    Pax Romana which was the ruler wrong and

    one of the good things Romans it was the united people with a common language

    which was great

    and the united people with the road system and the apostles

    what those roads and the use that language

    to bring the Gospel to their generation path forward two thousand years

    now we have the world wide web you now

    we have this opportunity to return now pretty much everybody is on board with

    that I think

    anyone who’s not using the technology today

    is just missing an opportunity me quite on a thing

    why wouldn’t a church or a pastor or anyone a ministry

    have basement pictures no charge why wouldn’t they have

    a Twitter account why when they use Instagram

    in other forms of social media its immediate it gets out to people

    you can use it to bring the Gospel the people I mean this is fantastic so

    incentive complaining about it let’s use it for God’s glory

    someone in my position someone who’s behind the scenes a technology person

    how can we help our senior pastors perform their calling as a

    the pastor well I think some pastors are are prone to read this

    I’m one of those people have always been interested in it i mean you know me I’ll

    see something cool see online are

    send a link to you what do you think about this you know cuz I’m always

    interested in

    anything that can help us expand our reach

    but I think up for some people there there honors in a very good

    and adopting new technology so I think that you need to explain things

    to them and you need to show them how to use these media platforms for them stop

    you know you gone to an

    Apple store in the have little classes the input on proposed sin

    I noticed lotta times are older people wanting to catch up you know

    that for some pastors find themselves are a bit bolder

    and they may be a well I know I don’t do that where do the old-fashioned way

    will listen keep you know preparing your message is perhaps your browser with

    but even for that there’s %ah fantastic software like logos that you can have in

    your computer

    and he can utilize it having an amazing collection a box in

    kid you know Greek and Hebrew definitions and so much more but

    I think pastors need to catch up and I think we ought to do more than ketchup

    I think we ought to be leading the way cuz look we’re in the communication


    and therefore we want to use whatever technology

    is out there are let’s get the word out

    in get a ninety-percent get a person who savvy with these things

    a lot of times are younger people let them help you in uses technology to

    expand the influence of you ministry

    again so for you Windows Mac or Android

    well I bob love the first Macintosh computers

    I didn’t even know how to tie I saw that they know that that’s a cool thing about


    and hype I plugged it in and the yellow iMac

    and unlike what do I do with this thing and and slowly have figured out how to

    use it sermon prep

    it was so primitive but it was amazing because it really was a personal


    so I was really upbeat mom Apple guy for a number of years but then

    Windows I love the bible thumper was coming out on Windows like Anna

    learn I’d learn I never really got into DOS that was way beyond me

    but I sort of started figuring out the Windows platform

    and then I was when the Sun was all Windows for a number of years

    but then Apple comes along with the iPod and ideas

    had to have an iPod all those songs in that little device and that got me back

    into that was rude like

    the gateway drug Apple and that brought me back into the Apple univers and then

    I wasn’t Apple

    only and I pretty much been Apple for years now I I like that

    the simple intuitive interphase at the Apple operating system now when it comes


    the so called the course Android is made some great advances in

    I but I keep coming back still to the iPhone I like it better

    but I know a lot of people that have the androids in and they’re really given up

    a run for their money now but

    the cool thing is religious use all the popcorn to win it wouldn’t wanna be

    elitist about

    a certain operating system %ah you know are Apr into to harvest ap

    is available for both the Apple operate insisted and the Android

    operating system give that Windows Phone we haven’t developed up for that you

    actually it is I want us to now

    you’re kidding I didn’t know that well congratulations Windows people

    you can now have a harvest ap I mean literally call on the Windows

    platform Alex great yeah that’s fantastic I

    guaranteed someone watching this is an IT and they’re ready to quit

    so there describe their burned-out neglecting their family they’re just

    they feel like they’re underwater never gonna come so the only words of

    encouragement for them and how do you avoid burnout I think you need to

    remember what you’re doing

    I i mean he may be in IT person you may be working in that

    Technology department but what you’re doing is you’re

    providing a platform to reach people you know we love our part in the church

    summer called to preach

    summer call to do worshiper use music summer called into the art summer called


    I technology others are called behind-the-scene summer called

    in are working in like God practical areas hospitality

    every Christian is give to the needy use your gift for the glory of God

    remember it’s Jesus you’re doing it for the Bible says let’s not be weary in

    well doing

    for in due season you’ll reap if you don’t paint so

    to add for the Lord good for the glory of God for me is a pastor

    like anybody else you have to find balance in life you know you have to

    have time for

    certainly your spiritual life you have to have time for your family

    you don’t need to be stinkin on the phone all the time

    checking out web sites texting all the time

    you know actually set the phone down revolution I thought turn the phone off

    have a conversation with somebody come out of your virtual world

    for a few moments it’ll do you some good okay so

    the Beatles paid us had their 50th anniversary

    when they came and came to america on The Ed Sullivan Show

    now and behind us I know to get can see but we have a replica guitars a

    think as Paul’s base yes Paul Harper basin we have john lennon’s

    Rickenbacker %uh electric rhythm guitar we have george harrison

    grapes lead guitar and I don’t have wrinkles drunk kids too big

    but there’s been lots of new specials out about appealed and the

    the cultural impact that they had on its element and that was really

    gonna rock n roll was a was what are the defining characteristic to the baby

    boomer generation

    I’m so I came like right after the JFK assassination a

    and then the Beatles came on on site and

    the culture changed so and even encounter chapel

    the way the church’s worship changed kinda based on what to build broad right

    I so one news program I i saw said that

    today’s can a major see changes the Internet yeah

    and technology and and these computers not just

    had laptops but all the IRS device

    else computer in your pocket really yeah exactly now

    so I so seeing how the change that that happened

    you know when when you were growing up and all these kids growing up today with

    the internet you

    do you see any parallels there and any me

    things we should look out for that may be that the viewers went through with

    rock and roll that

    we should look out for a min well you know the Internet

    let me see it as a billion loan Lee Internet is an amazing thing really

    whenever new

    but just for a lot from Liverpool now this some is in really

    Smith over drug though now arm I was a bit a limitation I’m not sure what

    people in particular

    I think that you know there’s good and bad out the internet clearly

    and there’s some horribly wicked things

    that you can access with a few clicks of a mouse

    and there’s some absolutely wonderful things you can access

    so you know I don’t know then the generation that

    ever had access too so much information

    so quickly and its kinda been awesome responsibility

    and when he needed take very seriously need to guard yourself and

    any need to now allow that evil influence in your life

    on the other hand you know what a great platform do

    propagate the gospel and the teaching of the Word

    in LB one another in a way the internet which is such an impersonal ping is help

    make the world a smaller place you know I

    started with emailing without texting who knows what snacks will just think

    the pot not get electronically

    maybe one day we’ll actually said bonds down and talk with each other

    has a the Cooper friend the other day we ought to deceive restaurant

    and everybody was on their phone nobody was talking

    so actually gonna all in a group Tag tonight said be

    here now they were lean they all looked up at once

    haha that’s funny the new impacted Texas again so

    but in a way though it can keep it connects apprentice when

    my wife and I travel we love to use like FaceTime or Skype

    we can talk to our kids talk to our grandkids

    and that it’s a great way to make a connection i think is the church

    as Christians anything we can do to build and encourage community in our

    fellowships is good

    anything that we can do to bring the Gospel a more people

    is good so we have to go into it with wisdom and be careful

    but at the same time not be afraid to britain and use a brawl

    weekend for God’s glory what technology are you excited about

    well I think the technology I’m really having a lot of fun with right now and

    I’m using more

    is on probably Instagram and Twitter

    you know I didn’t quite know how to use Twitter i mean they have a preacher

    content with the same

    is challenging because we tend to be long winded right

    Sodexo I i can only use as many characters min

    and but I find that those tweets can go out really have an impact immediately

    and I love Instagram could you can capture little snapshot

    appear like Nepal whether people in caterpillar’s I’m sort of connected with

    them then when I see Missy

    RDS R you did your dog rights other beautiful study your

    child I saw that so that would you have for lunch you know

    AgCenter a so I love all those technologies 1 I’ve been having a lot of

    fun with personally

    is a it’s a digital tablet Conway com

    and we come makes it rather and died you know in the past

    the stylus is for them have been really pleased big

    like drawing with %ah like I you know some large

    object get doesn’t work I’m use the working with dental this new 1i got


    has a very small stylist and then you can go into

    the Sedins and you can pick like a pencil

    or appear in or up top banner at the crib top 10

    or impair bra she can change colors Simon tryna lot I’m

    was a cartoonist before was our pastor I’ve always loved Design I’ve been

    doing more cartoons posed in my piece but page

    between them putting them up on Instagram and stuff and people seem to

    be enjoying themselves

    that’s a technology have been having a lot of fun but lately I still love to

    take pictures live cameras always looking at the latest

    cameras but you know the cameras and the iPhone are so good in

    like it said you know the best camera is the one you have with you

    now is 7i phone in my pocket so I tend to take probably

    ninety percent of my photos if not more with my iPhone

    even though I have some nice cameras I’d I don’t get him out as often as I should


    I love anything that sorta captures life in

    because then you go back and reflect on it and those are great memories so

    I like it when we can use it more personal way yeah

    and you sense that you see it that you’re your the people that you Pastor

    have a more haven’t personal connection to you

    it’s hard I mean you have 1000 people out ya I think they do because people

    come up to me and say

    I love the pull up your granddaughters and the funny thing is all

    I’m alright a little article maybe it’s a little Bible teaching

    now getting a fair amount of response as you know maybe a my

    Facebook page %uh get your 30,000 people liked it

    and then I’ll do something really random like

    draw cartoon or want to meet in a plea does

    sneak into the picture above for my grandkids and again like

    a hundred and seventy thousand like them like what so it shows me though that

    people are looking for personal connection

    so so the fine with that assertive embrace it in

    you know I put some personal things out there but I do use it as a platform

    for sharing parts I have a small so he is a promoter bull

    purposes but people will come as a oh I love that show your grandkids are

    I love the little bit the on so they feel connected to the Pilipino you

    and in a way they do because you’re opening your life up to them so

    I think in that way it’s a good thing and think some people there just a

    little too obsessed

    taking selfies all the time feeling up to update

    everything constantly like you know what it’s actually okay to not give us

    updates every four minutes relax a little bit maybe live a little more

    life I’m not one of those guys I like single sometimes a few days without

    anything on Instagram

    I usually put something on Facebook but I’ll just take it day offers

    so are dear to opera be non then in than other days I’m in there like four or

    five times depending but

    you know I think we need to find the balance again the values as technology


    not have a dominating our life so what do you think is the biggest challenge

    facing the church today well I think for the church

    our greatest challenges is remaining connected to the

    culture we’re livin arm

    sometimes a bill in the church were answering questions no one is asking

    and we’re not an answer in the ones they are asking so I think there needs to be

    an understanding of what’s happening in culture

    there needs to be an understanding of technology platforms that can be


    for God’s glory we need to deliver our content in an effective

    way to people but at the same time

    we don’t want the in any way compromised our content

    we don’t wanna oversimplify we wanted understandable but at the same time

    we don’t want to compromise on what we’re actually seeing trading our


    is to be aware apart changing world

    and come with the right message at the right time which clearly

    is the gospel and reach people with that

    I think we are in the most biblically illiterate generation

    in the history of the United States of America I get back up and say the most

    literate generation

    but then add the most biblically illiterate people know so little

    about the Bible that’s the bad news the good news is

    well they know so little about the Bible so it’s not like you’re

    fighting with preconceived notions they have no notions

    so that’s an opportunity for us to imprint them sort of like

    wet cement let’s go in there with the to message of the gospel and

    in use are media platforms i mean it’s an amazing thing that

    anybody can have their please put paid to the can have their Twitter account

    they can have their Instagram another platforms in

    you know maybe they don’t reach millions or even thousands or even hundreds but

    the region group for people are interested in them so

    all over sana leverages technologies and gone to all ok

    our world and preach the gospel so for the past two years you’ve had kind of a

    a plan to can reach out to america so

    called harvest America so you what kinda share your vision for that

    harvest America which is happening this year at the American Airlines Center in

    dollars doctors

    is the event were capturing then we do

    alive HD webcast in it goes into churches

    some other than very large churches that maybe five six thousand people

    in attendance which we’ve seen sometimes it’s a small church maybe a little

    country church a bar

    100 people then again it might be

    gonna do a front room you know you can take a Roku box now you can download the

    harbors channel

    it’s free and watch it live that’s an amazing technology

    he could be carried on I were the christian stations out there be a

    I wanna there on broadcast as well

    and then it will be live in some radio stations but then you can watch it on

    your laptop

    you can watch it on your tablet device you can watch it

    on your smartphone I think the best way to use it is to be with the person

    so you can be there in the capacity a praying for them is our hearing the


    and following up on them after the predominantly can’t do that

    you know you have aunt matilda lives near the center the country

    so central Lincoln say check this link out at this time and watch it

    then after the event has come and gone will be archived you could still send

    the link up Arbor

    mechanics are still in play and God’s Word will not return void its livor

    it was pre-recorded yeah has really taking the technology of multi-site


    which is exploring the crap country and making this event available

    two churches anywhere now to have an event in there in their sanctuary you

    know some people will say

    unwielding people want to get together and watch a video once more than that

    you have to understand it’s a live webcast at a message in

    here’s the funny thing we’ve discovered and that is for some reason music does

    not work as well

    on a webcast is speaking to us you know what were we have

    a satellite site a church we get a video P the message we always have live

    worship because we’ve tried

    you know webcasting or somin people don’t participate

    when the music is live and anything the message they respond here’s an

    interesting thing years ago

    Billy Graham its or to the forerunner of what we’re doing

    in a massive scale in an outreach he called mission world

    and they took his message put it on satellite

    all around the United States are around the world they found that the percentage

    of response was higher

    and where the live link sites as they call them than it was in the arena

    were billy was preachy that blew my mind

    and that was years ago so you say all won’t work as well in a church no

    actually it will

    in fact he might work more effectively the new me think

    so your job is just capture that signal

    you know set your church opulent optimal way for

    maximum impact I with that image that you’re showing the people with the sound

    and so forth

    and light got do is work to the gospel and stand back and watch what the Lord

    will do

    Patrick would you like to pray for all the people watching us right now

    yeah let’s do that father I prefer all the people

    out there who are adopting this technology because they see the

    potential in the given them the skills these abilities these

    guess rowly help them to use these gifts for your glory

    help them to grow in their understanding up the technology with even more

    to grow their understanding up your word enough the importance of

    spreading the gospel are there was a time when

    we had to go to distant shores to reach people with the message but now we can

    be in those distant shores so quickly

    live stream mean video and so many other resources that we have so help us to be


    in use these resources to use them

    to the best of our abilities until you come back again

    we ask this in Jesus name amen

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  9. Tom VanAntwerp shares lessons learned from expanding an established church through launching new campuses. | unSeminary

    Podcast: Play in new window | DownloadPodcast (video): Play in new window | Download | EmbedSubscribe to the unSeminary Podcast: [iTunes] [RSS] [Stitcher] [TuneIn] // [VIDEO iTunes] [VIDEO RSS]Grace Chapel is a 60 year old church … not exactly the stereotype of the sort of church that is adding new campuses as a way to reach out to it’s community! But Tom VanAntwerp talks through how this church is leveraging campus expansion to make a bigger impact in it’s community. This episode is an encouragement for churches thinking about going multisite because Tom talks through their launch process and how they were able to expand their ministry.Tom VanAntwerp // [Website]Interview Highlights //01:05 // Tom serves at Grace Chapel, Wilmington01:43 // Tom’s campus launched 3 years ago01:55 // Grace is a 60 year old ministry, now over 6000 people03:20 // Grace had preciously church planted but new campuses was a new idea for Grace and the New England area05:37 // Idea of starting a new campus was initially brought to 200 key leaders07:01 // Grace gathered 12-14 key leaders that they asked to ‘lead with them’08:36 // Initial campus launch period was a year, other campuses varied in length11:’0 // ‘Tom, you can either lead small in this or you can lead big.’14:20 // Grace asked the core leaders to commit to worshiping and serving for one year15:00 // Rich asks how Grace came up with it’s idea campus launch core numberLightning Round HighlightsHelpful Tech Tools // Fuse, DoodleBook Worth Reading // Deep and Wide by Andy StanleyMinistries Following // Willow Creek, North Point, Liquid ChurchInspiring Leader // the people who have committed to the life of the church who aren’t professional, but give of themselves, lives familiesWhat does he do for fun? // work out, father of 4, close up magicInterview Transcript //Rich – Alright, well welcome to the unSeminary podcast. My name’s Rich . I’m the host around these parts. So glad that you’ve decided to spend some time with us. This is the podcast where we get a chance to talk with great church leaders from across the country about what they’re learning in their particular context. I’m super excited to have Tom VanAntwerp today with us. He’s at Grace Chapel here on the East Coast. Nice to bump into another East Coaster. Tom, welcome to the show.Tom- Great to be here Rich. Thanks for having me!Rich – I am super excited to have you. Before we jump in, why don’t you tell us a little bit about yourself and the church you serve at.Tom – My name’s Tom VanAntwerp. I’ve been at Grace Chapel for about 15 years. I grew up in upstate NY in Syracuse area and went to Wheaton College. Met my wonderful bride there, Julie. After we graduated we moved back to Battle Creek Michigan, believe it or not for the first three years. Then we came back to New England to seminary at Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary. Been doing Youth Ministry for 14 years before transitioning to Grace. Loving it at Grace. I am now the Campus Pastor at Grace Chapel in Wilmington our first launch three years ago. Our three year anniversary.Rich – Nice. Now why don’t you tell us, for people who don’t know, just a little bit about the church’s history, the style, give us a sense of what’s happening at Grace.Tom – Grace Chapel has been around for 60 years, 64 years now. It was started in Lexington as a non-denominational church by a group, really 5 couples, who met in a living room for a number of years just praying to ask God to help them establish a Gospel believing, Bible believing church in Lexington. So it’s been around for 60 years and has grown from 5 couples to at Easter we had 6100. We are at 4 campuses now. But it is just a non-denominational church that the founders really wanted to start with a non-denominational church experience. They were very forward thinking making sure that the boundaries were as low as possible for people to come to Christ and come to experience just the joy of being a part of a great church.Rich – Nice. Now were you there to help launch the campus you are currently in? Or did you transition in when it had already launched?Tom – I was the lead pastor at the point of launch. Before that I had been around Grace, as I said, for 15 years. So it was, we were part of the strategizing team, the leadership team that came to the conclusion that our next growth mode was going to be, not through church planting which Grace had done a number of times prior, but through launching a campus.Rich – I am looking forward to learning? A lot of times the perception of multi site church is they are all young churches that have been around for just 10 years and they are cranking out new ones. Grace Chapel has been around for a while. It’s a 60 year old church, planted some churches, been through transition. How have you lead that process of taking an established church to launch out? What are some of the things you have learned launching out new locations over these last number of years?Tom – Ya it was a new endeavor and the idea in sort of a historic, traditional New England, moving a church that’s been around to consider the idea of launching multi site churches, with especially the technology involved in that, the video venue kinds of experiences in that, it was a significant visioning process for our whole congregations. Gordon McDonald was actually our lead pastor a number of years ago, many of you know Gordon. Brian Wilkinson is now our Senior Pastor. He really lead with a strong vision for it as we considered scalability and potential growth. It is very hard in New England to start a new church. We have done that a number of times, but it just takes years. So we began to cast vision with first of all some of our strategic stakeholders in the church, realizing that they are going to be early adopters. So we tried to engage folks with vision first and foremost. It’s always been a church that has sought to expand it’s reach and to grow. The idea to continue growth and outreach is really where we started, right at the heart of the Gospel.Rich – What did that look like? How did you cast vision? Was it just from the stage or were there other kinds of events? How did you cast vision to people at your church.Tom – We have a group of about 200 key leaders at church that we bring together about twice a year to talk about the vision of the church, where we are going and new initiatives…things like that. We really started with that, with those high level, key leaders. Began with just telling the story of where we have come to, and where we believe God is calling us and getting them informed initially, and hopefully on board.Rich – Now I am assuming at some point you started gathering a small group of people to launch out. What did that process look like for you before you stepped out to launch the location.Tom – A lot of it had to do with trying to decide where we were going to launch. So trying to decide who it was we were going to invite into the process. But the fact is we kind of surveyed our geographic area and asked ourselves, ‘Where is it most likely that we could establish something of strength?’ Especially being the first campus, we knew we had to have some good success early on in order to have the congregation believe this could happen in New England. So we looked at our small groups. We tried to find where we had pockets of small groups and strong leaders and tried to find people who have invested in Grace Chapel for a long time. So we sort of grew a circle, a target around those folks. Then listed some of those leaders as key leaders in that area. We pulled together about 12-14 of them and threw the idea out to them to see what the responsiveness would be. Just a dessert night. And there was great responsiveness. Almost like we had been dying for something.Rich – ‘What’s taken you so long!’Tom – Exactly!Rich – That’s great!Tom – So that’s the core group that we really began in earnest to lean into. With that group, many of them were small group leaders themselves. Probably consisted of 8 small groups represented by that group of folks. We just started to craft a message, craft a vision, and we asked them, not to follow us, but to lead with us. Really big deal.Rich – That’s good. That’s good.Tom – Really big deal to ask to be leaders with us in this endeavor. And they began to strategize with us in how we can make this as successful as possible. Just started to list names of people, and maps and who is it that we are going to invite and cast vision with?Rich – Now what, how much time was there from that first dessert night until you started services? What did that look like from a time point of view?Tom – So it was about a year from beginning to end. For our first we really needed to wade into the water of what does this look like. And build the congregations interest in it as well, because around it was the capital campaign and other things to help us get started.Rich – What has it been for subsequent launches? How long going and cultivating the leadership team, how long is that process now?Tom – It’s varied. We were opportunistic about an opportunity that came to us in Watertown. A church coming to an end. Coming to a close and they were looking for a place to give their building to. So because that timeframe was clear about when the building was coming to us and so forth that was probably about 6 months. And then recently we have opened another campus or venue at a local Christian school. Which we actually started renting before we knew exactly what we were going to do, leadership and all that. So that time frame has been a little more compressed to probably about 3 months, with a launch coming up in the fall.Rich – OK. Now what do you call your location? Satellites, campuses, and how does that impact your approach to ministry with them?Tom – We call them campuses. We really believe that satellite feels too small. It feels like it’s forming around something bigger than us. And size-wise that really is true. But one of the ah-ha moments along the way was, I really, I was asked to be the campus pastor. To leave the Grace Chapel that I had known, start something that was uncharted in New England, and whose success was unknown. Would it work here? And so I remember a point between just myself and the Lord one day, where I heard him very clearly say, ‘Tom, you can either lead small in this or you can lead big.’ And that helped me because I wondered, am I being shuttled off to Siberia? We are moving from a place where you know everyone to a place where you are going to start working deeping with a few folks to grow. It was that turning point that I realized that this was at the cutting edge of what God was doing at Grace Chapel and I believe in New England as well and the greater Boston Area. So I sort of embraced that.Rich – That’s amazing! What do your services look like? You mentioned earlier that you use video. Give us a sense of the flavor of what you are doing. Because I can imagine there would be a resistance, people thinking, ‘I’m not sure the video thing would work in New England.’ Tell us what the services are like there.Tom – So that was one of the significant points along the way was that I believed what we needed to create are venues where people can come and watch the sermon…you know, it is a video message. That part of the service is video that comes from Lexington. But everything else is live worship, very well developed from Kidstown, youth ministry, small groups, outreach, all of it. So when you come you are coming to a fully functioning church. The church has got to be the church. It’s got to be when people come they are experiencing life, comes with this community together, worship God, whose kids are cared for a loved, those who have a sense of purpose and outreach right in that community. So when you come, it feels like church.Rich – Definitely. Now what would you say to other established churches who has maybe been around for a while who maybe are considering multi site, but aren’t sure this would translate. What would you say to those churches.Tom – You always have the conversation when people come. ‘I hear you do a video? What’s that like?’ I was a sceptic early on. I thought is this really going to work around here? When you come your church experience is so rich and full, and the intimacy of hearing and seeing the message from as close as you get to is so rich as well. So you end up forgetting that Pastor Brian wasn’t even here today. We are experiencing that together. All of those anxieties go away with really our first experience with church.Rich- Very cool. Well anything else you would like to share with our listeners before we jump into the lightning round?Tom – Just one other thing that we asked as we went along building the core, we asked people not just from our church not just to come and worship with us for a year. But strategically we asked people to come worship with us and to serve with us for a full year. We were looking for 200 people to start us off on that journey. That decision has really laid the foundation and the groundwork of the way people experience church here. We have great, great participants, partners, volunteers, people who are really deeply invested in making this a great church. That’s the reason why I love pastoring in Grace Chapel Wilmington because everyone jumps in.Rich – How did you end up at the 200 number? How did you land at that as the target?Tom – I think we talked and prayed a lot about what is it that we feel is important to establish a place where there is enough of a critical mass. And we knew also that we wanted to start with two services so that we could have a full Kidstown experience at both hours so that nobody misses church each week. A lot of times with one service you can have a number of your folks miss by serving the kids. So we thought if we could have a 100 people committed to 2 services that’s a start that we can really grow from.Rich – Build from.

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  10. Haley Veturis of Saddleback Church: Episode 85 » Social Media Church podcast

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    Haley Veturis is the Social Media Manager for Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, with a dozen more locations around Orange County and internationally around the world too. On this episode of the Social Media Church podcast, Haley shares about how social media has made such a difference in her life personally and the amazing God-story of how she became the Social Media Manager at Saddleback Church, how she manages the a purpose-driven social media strategy for Saddleback Church, and her extra effort to help resource churches at large through Social Ecclesia.

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    Connect with Haley Veturis on Twitter @HaleyVeturis + on Instagram +

    #resource WeAPS promo calendar

    #article #EndOfAnEraForSocialMediaPioneers: Real life has intruded on three sisters who are stars on Twitter, Facebook and other online networking sites. (OC Register, May 2013)

    #event Social Ecclesia’s website - next micro-conference is June 5th in Griffin, Georgia

    #article Seven Reasons Your Church Needs a Social Media Director by Thom Rainer


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