Digital has overtaken print throughout the media, and it’s no different in the realms of food and travel. But can travel websites move beyond top ten lists and gauzy food porn? Can you build an audience while talking about the world as it really exists, with all its heartache and idiocy and occasional triumphs? Anthony Bourdain—writer, raconteur, host of CNN’s Part Unknown—became a partner in Roads & Kingdoms, a digital media startup based in Brooklyn and Barcelona, in 2015 to help shape what comes next. He talks food, fear and the future of travel media with Roads & Kingdoms co-founder Nathan Thornburgh.